[Salon] Postscript to yesterday's interview with Press TV, Iran on the concerns of South Korea



The link which I provided yestefday does work. Some will find that there are warnings that this site may damage your security, but that is disinformation and one can confidently proceed to open the link.

 Russia, North Korea fighting US hegemonic policy: Putin


Meanwhile, one reader provided an alternative link that works perfectly without any warnings;

https://odysee.com/PressTV-2024-06-21:8

And another reader has provided a full transcript, as set out below.
I have only one correction to note:  Indeed Russian-North Korean trade has expanded by 10 times last year, but in billions, not millions. It is now reckoned to be annualized $34 billion.


PressTV: 0:00
We are now joined by Gilbert Doctorow, independent international affairs analyst, who joins us from Brussels, Belgium. And we wanted to welcome him, first of all, to the program to discuss the developments in the deepening ties between the DPRK and Moscow. Mr. Doctorow, welcome to the program.

Gilbert Doctorow, Ph.D.:
Thanks for the invitation.

PressTV: 0:31
Mr. Doctorow, can you hear me?

Doctorow:
I hear you perfectly, yes.

PressTV:
OK, great. So yeah, the first question that I was going to ask you is: the defense pact that is signed between the DPRK and Moscow has drawn anger from South Korea first, and also its ally the U.S. Now considering that this is a defense pact what is there to be worried about, what is there to be angry about on the side of South Korea and the U.S.?

Doctorow: 0:58
Well there's everything to be worried about, and there are even a few things that one might be angry about, although you can't pin it down, you can't say exactly how this defense pact, or mutual assistance pact, would be implemented, under what circumstances. It is a mutual pact, which means not only is Russia standing ready to assist in unspecified ways in case North Korea is attacked, but North Korea is ready to assist in unspecified ways if Russia is attacked.

We ask, what does Russia being attacked mean? And that is also a very, very fine issue. Does it mean that the United States and its allies send F-16s nominally under Ukrainian flag with nominally Ukrainian pilots and they attack the heartland of Russia? Is that, does that mean that this, that North Korea is obliged to take Seoul off the face of the earth? Well, who knows? One thing I can say is that "Financial Times", which had an article saying very much what you have just said today, yesterday was saying, "Ah, it was just pomp and ceremony that Mr. Putin was treated to in his visit to Pyongyang, that yes, they sang Russian songs and everybody had a good time." But they didn't say anything about the content or the nature of the documents that were signed.

2:37
Here in Belgium, the leading French-speaking newspaper yesterday, "Le Soir", was saying, "Ah, we can breathe easy, they haven't yet reached agreement on a military alliance." Well, that is rubbish. Mr. Sergei Lavrov, the Russian foreign minister, said on the sidelines yesterday, or the day before yesterday, in Pyongyang, that they had indeed reached what is a military alliance. They are allies. "We are allies, he said, regardless of what this piece of paper is called."

In the West, the first reactions were to say this is transactional, that Putin is going to get more 155-millimeter artillery shells, which are needed very badly for the ongoing fight in Ukraine, and the North Koreans will get unspecified military technical assistance. What that means, nobody has been able to say; one can guess. But I think many of the guesses are far wrong.

PressTV: 3:46
Doctor, is there any significance on the timing of this particular pact? I mean, we've known that the partnership between South Korea and the U.S., it has meant that over the past few months there has been an escalation in their military drills. Does that have anything to do with the timing of this particular pact?

Doctorow: 4:10
Well, there are a number of considerations. The Russians are always looking for anniversaries of one kind or another, the first time that they establish diplomatic relations with a given country, or similar type of events, to time their visits to one or another country. This was certainly true in Vietnam also, where there was an event being celebrated. But you make mention of the exercises. Of course, this is a response to them, it's a response to the rumors that the United States would be giving a nuclear submarine to South Korea or parking one in South Korea.

The United States has been very provocative. And that is now under the Biden administration. It was still more provocative with respect to North Korea in Mr. Trump's administration, when he sent a nuclear-armed aircraft carrier task force to virtually the shores of North Korea, to make the point that "We can destroy you in a moment." I think that with the signing of this agreement between North Korea and Russia, that type of provocation is over. With a little bit of technical assistance, shall we say, from the Russians, the North Koreans will be able to sink that aircraft carrier and the whole task force in 30 minutes. So this type of 19th-century ship diplomacy will no longer work in the Far East.

PressTV: 5:49
Now in the wake of this pact and also quite a while before it, we've heard the term "new world order" being thrown around a lot, particularly by Mr. Putin and Kim Jong-un themselves. How likely... First of all, what do you think that means? In this supposed new world order, what are the countries that are going to become more prominent, play a more prominent role in this supposed new world order? And how does the US and its ally, South Korea, going to be responding to these ... claims of a new world order?

Doctorow: 6:30
Well ... responding-- I think that the Russians' new world order is the response to the existing so-called ... rules-based order which is, as Mr Putin has said in recent speeches, just another way of ... covering up or putting lipstick on the pig of American imperialism and global hegemony. The new world order will mean that there are more equal participants in the governing board of the world, whether it is the G20 or it is an expanded BRICS, which might even one day include the United States, whatever the institutional framework is for these great powers coming together.

And we can easily determine who they are. This is economic and military strength taken together. They will not be suffering the diktat from one country, namely the United States. There'll be much more trading of interests to reach consensus, and there'll probably be more regionalization. The new world order-- it was assisted by the deconstruction of American hegemony in the Far East. Russia has reasserted its interest and its ability to be a full player in the Far East by this visit to both North Korea and Vietnam. So the days of the unipolar world are over.

8:09
Let's go back-- a bit in history. It's not so long ago when Mr. Obama was the president, and he said, "Ah, yes, Russia is just a regional player." Mr. Putin's response to that was, "Which region?" Which was not a joke. Russia is the world's largest landmass, 13% of the earth is Russia, and it has borders with many countries and interests in many directions, east, west, north, and south. And the eastern direction, which was allowed to lapse after Russia imploded in the 1990s, has now been restored and raised to an ever higher level of importance. So that Russia is a major player, if not a decisive player, in the creation of this world order is obvious.

PressTV: 9:03
Now, very briefly, Mr. Doctorow, what can you tell me about the responses to this pact, which has mainly focused on the military aspect of the pact, the military consequences that the pact may bring. But we may be missing certain key factors in the pact about, like, economical cooperations and the economical ramifications of such a pact. What are we missing here in the, you know, mainstream analyses?

Doctorow: 9:33
You're very correct in directing attention to the non-military side. The economic possibilities of cooperation between these two countries, which have a common border, are very great, starting from a very low level, to be sure. When one speaks about Russian-Korean trade increasing by a factor of 10, you have to keep in mind we're speaking about millions and not billions of dollars. So there's a long way to go, but North Korea has for twenty years been suffering severe problems with food production, and it is unable to feed itself, at the same time that Russia is the world's largest exporter of foodstuffs. First it was grains, and now it's even poultry and meat and so forth.

10:23
So, Russia is in an excellent position to assist the North Korean economy to feed its own people. That is a good start. The logistical discussions are very important. The two countries have a common border, but almost no roads to get from one side to the other. There is a railway bridge. They have to be building highways, automobile bridges. And in this process of reconstruction and establishing new infrastructure, one of the elements will be to remove an antiquated bridge now across the river separating them, which is very low to the water, too low for ships from a third country that also has access to this waterway, China, to use it. And when they rebuild this, China will be a big beneficiary, and China will have naval access to the Sea of Japan, which is an economic issue, and I'd say also a [military] issue for the Japanese.

PressTV: 11:31
Okay, thank you very much, Mr. Gilbert Doctorow. He's an independent international affairs analyst. Thank you for joining the program and giving us your insights.






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